Posted: 8:09 am Tuesday, August 5th, 2014

Is UGA really the third-best job in college football? 

By Mark Bradley

"If we don't make a first down right now, I might slip to No. 4." (Jason Getz/AJC)

“If we don’t make a first down right now, I might slip to No. 4.” (Jason Getz/AJC)

In a post for Fox Sports, Clay Travis of Outkick The Coverage has rated the 25 best coaching jobs in college football. He has Florida No. 1, Texas No. 2 and Georgia No. 3. Ohio State is No. 5, Alabama No. 6 and LSU No. 7.

Travis’ methodology: It’s better to be based in the South — “Increasingly, college football is a game played in the sunshine,” he avers — and most big-name recruits either hail from or want to move to the South. Which doesn’t explain why Florida State ranks No. 12, especially seeing as how Florida State graced four BCS title games, the same number as Florida.

The lofty assessment of Georgia can be explained in two words — recruiting base. Writes Travis: “Given the exploding population of the state, all the Bulldogs have to do is recruit the right players and they’re set to dominate not just in the South, but in the nation.” (Wait a second. Can you really dominate the South if No. 1 Florida is dominating it, too?)

Then this:

Which makes the Bulldog failures all the more entertaining. Georgia is the South’s own Charlie Brown, perpetually attempting to kick a football through the uprights just as Lucy pulls the ball away. With the growth of Atlanta and the state, there’s no reason why the next 20 years shouldn’t be crowned with growing Bulldog success. Except, you know, it’s Georgia football.

Travis makes a point of saying he’s “excluding present circumstances from this analysis,” which seems a bit odd. (If history was of paramount importance, why would South Carolina — which as Travis notes didn’t win a bowl game until 1995 — rank No. 20 to Notre Dame’s 21st?) But he makes a big deal over Texas’ apparent slippage and the recruiting rise of Texas A&M (ranked No. 9) and writes, rather oddly: “What does Texas really have to distinguish itself from Oklahoma, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech? They all play in the same conference now.”

Oh, and Travis has nine SEC jobs in his Top 25 and five in the top eight, which would underscore his point about sunshine. Still, it’s a bit jarring to see Arkansas ranked one spot behind Notre Dame.

But enough quibbling. Travis’ Top 25 makes for interesting reading, and my intent isn’t to offer a point-by-point rebuttal. (He’s entitled to his opinion.) But if you’re asking, “Do you, M. Bradley, consider Georgia the third-best job in the land?”, my answer would be no. I’d have Georgia in the lower half of my Top 10, which would be:

10. Florida State

9. Georgia

8. LSU

7. Notre Dame

6. Oklahoma

5. Southern Cal

4. Florida

3. Ohio State

2. Alabama

1. Texas

469 comments
KeithBeaumont
KeithBeaumont

UGA is easily one of the top 3 coaching jobs. Texas and FSU would probably be the next best jobs. The talent pool in Georgia is ridiculous, and the only other major school in the state to compete at recruiting is limited by its academic standards. It has the prestige of being in the SEC and a strong football tradition. The best part about it, however, is that it's darn near impossible to lose the job. It takes a real idiot to screw things up at UGA. If you beat your rivals more often than not (Tennessee, GT, South Carolina, Florida, and Auburn) then you keep your job in spite of never growing the program any further. 

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

Some fans demand championships. Others don't. UGA has a predominately northern fan base now because Atlanta, which is most of Georgia, is full of out of staters trying to find a team to attach to.  So they grab on to UGA because that's all they hear about and really don't care what the results are.  These new arrivals pull for the team they are told to pull for.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

When you are guaranteed the nations best recruits every year without trying and are considered a top 15 program without having sniffed a nat champ in 35 years  any  coach would consider this a cupcake job.

When you get this job it is the #1 job in the nation , not top 3, because you never have to deliver results. 

The two old rules apply which are: 1. get a top 10 recruit class every year 2. Beat Tech.   You keep this job and 15% raises every year.

DawginNY
DawginNY

For the most part, I agree with Bradley's ranking.  I wouldn't have Bama or Oklahoma as high, despite their histories, because they don't have the recruiting bases in their respective states.  I would probably put A&M in there for the same reason that Florida State is.  LSU would be higher because they own their state like OSU does.  Georgia is about right.

mikefromlawrenceville
mikefromlawrenceville

No pressure at UGA to win.  With the growth of Atlanta and the state, there’s no reason why the next 20 years shouldn’t be crowned with growing Bulldog success. Except, you know, it’s Georgia football.  enough said Georgia has no excuses.

DapperDanDawg
DapperDanDawg

Part of the reason that I disagree with Alabama being so high is the expectations.  If someone hasn't won in three years, he is gone.  Sanctions be damned.  There are few coaches with the recruiting base UGA has that would still be employed going so long without a national championship and very few SEC championships.  Don't get me wrong, I love Richt, but if he had been at Bama, Florida, or LSU, he would have been long gone.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Nothing is finer than the red helmets and black G!!!!!! It's getting closer to time to kick Clemson's sorry arse! Go dawgs! Hunker down just one more time!

chargers8
chargers8

Alabama has the fans, the money, the passion, and the history to make that job attractive to anybody.

Dawg350
Dawg350

UGA has the finest uniforms in the land! We are gonna take the sec by storm this year. Watch out for Isaiah Mckenzie...our special teams have gotten special!

DoubleDawg
DoubleDawg

I think Bradley’s ranking is close to being accurate… I might put FSU ahead of UGA but either way his rankings seem fair.Is UGA a top 10 job? Yes.Is UGA a top 3 job?I don’t think so.In the SEC alone you have to pick Alabama, Florida, and maybe in the future Texas A&M (I see that program rising) or even LSU.Lots of great jobs in the SEC…

What criteria matter most?$ (high revenue athletic programs, boosters, competitive coach salaries etc…), Recruiting base/budget, Program stability and history, Location, Conference, Fan and School expectations (the closer a match between expectations and reality the better job it is), Academics, etc…

Georgia scores high enough in most of these categories to be considered a top 10 job.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

Dawg350 :

"Also please don't blame Richt for these suspensions! He cannot watch over these guys 24/7!!!!! If a players wants to go out and have a drink...then by golly that's what they are going to do....and none of the coaches want be there to stop him."


Think about this the next time you run in here bragging about the recruit Mark Richt just signed ?


He gets the credit for recruiting them here, then it's ALL THEIR FAULT that he runs a lax ship on teaching them to obey the rules and harsh ship on punishment.


NO DISCIPLINE - followed by harsh punishment

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

Dawg350              36 minutes ago


"UGA will prove it this year that we are ready to take the next step."


_____________________________________________________

Is this some type of copout ahead of time, so that if we're 9-5 if we play in The SEC Championship Game or 9-4 if we don't, that you can say that we took the next step ?

Dawg350
Dawg350

UGA will prove it this year that we are ready to take the next step. Our line backers are great and just wait till Lorenzo carter gets some experience under his belt, the sky is the limit for this young man! Trent Thompson the number 3 player in the nation will be committing to the dawgs on august 12! The sleeping giant is fixing to wake up! Our future is bright baby! Commit to the G

SimpleReason
SimpleReason

It's easily a top 5 job:


9th most populous state in America, soon to be 8th (TX(2) & FL(4) only other southern states in top 10)

It's one of the few top 20 public university's in the SEC (Mizzou, UF, TAMU)

The state's economic capacity and potential is higher than any other in the SE.  (save TX & equal to FL)

The state's tax base is more than any other state in the SE (save TX & FL)

It's easily the 4th richest talent state in America

It's the only school in the state that takes football somewhat seriously (GT is a wonderful school and a tremendous asset to the fine people of Georgia, but football isn't a priority for them, most Tech folks wouldn't begrudgingly acknowledge this).  Florida has FSU and Miami who have been very strong programs the last 30 years, Central Florida who is an ascending program, South Florida, Florida Atlantic, and Florida International who all play in the FBS.  Texas has A&M, the behemoth that is UT, Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, Houston, Rice, TCU, etc.

And for whatever reason, Georgia fans are not willing to be as demanding as Alabama has been, or as Florida has become the last 25 years.  Florida was in the same place in the early 90's.  Everybody was saying they were the most undervalued program in the country because they had roll out of bed amenities, but they never hired a great coach.  Then they did in 1990.  That's all it took to unlock all those natural advantages.  That's all it would take at Georgia. 


Great coaches often make great programs.  There is nothing inherently advantageous about the Oklahoma job, but they have had some really great coaches......Bud Wilkerson, Barry Switzer, and Stoops is pretty solid.  And its great coaches who have created good jobs.  Or Nebraska....Nebraska is a wind blown rural state with next to no local talent.  They became a great program because of a great coach.  You put Osborn at Iowa and Iowa is the Nebraska of the 70's/80's/90's.  They had a whisper of success with Solich but after he left, Nebraska may have tradition and great fan support.....but devoid of the great coach, there just another middle of the pack Big 10 program now.


Alabama is Alabama because of the great coaches they've had....Wallace, Thomas, Bryant, and Saban....UA couldn't make Dubuse a great coach, or Shula, or Perkins, or Curry, etc.


UGA is a top 10 historical program and they have NEVER had a great coach.  They've have a few good ones....but there are no Bryant's, Paterno's, Osborne's, Jimmy Johnson's, Spurriers, etc in their history.  UGA starts on 3rd base every year and can't get home.  It's just a fact.


Dawg350
Dawg350

You are wrong bud! UGA is the best job in the nation. Even Bama has to poach players from georgia because their state lacks the overall talent!

RockyTopp
RockyTopp

@Dawg350  Another day.....another stupid post. At least you are consistent.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@ThomasBrown 



Once again your "G E N I O U S " is showing!!!!!


Even my 7yr. old grandson knows  A L L the highly rated recruits are recruited several schools!!!


You are stupid beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dawg350
Dawg350

Whatever.....no matter who the coach is in athens....they won't be able to stop every kid from making a mistake and that's a fact! I guess Richt was supposed to stay the night with Taylor and his girlfriend to make sure he didn't choke her...like he was some kind of physic that knew Taylor was going to commit domestic violence that night. Come on man give me a break Thomas clown!

DoubleDawg
DoubleDawg

@ThomasBrown

TB- I think you are just not a good fit for our program.You’re a champion and should be an Alabama fan.

ElemennoP
ElemennoP

@ThomasBrown 


Some of the harshest punishment I can think of is reading some of the tripe you post.


I think I may browse the opinion section on the AJC to see if there is a debate on whether or not capital punishment is too harsh.  I'm sure I'll see some mind-numbing stats from you about Coach Richt.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Yeah our record against ranked road opponents hasn't been too good the last several years but that's all gonna change starting this year. We have Pruitt...rocker and Ekeler. Our coaching staff is now one of the best in the nation. Also please don't blame Richt for these suspensions! He cannot watch over these guys 24/7!!!!! If a players wants to go out and have a drink...then by golly that's what they are going to do....and none of the coaches want be there to stop him.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


11 Arrests/Suspensions 2014 alone so far, leaving us with only 78 of the 119 Signed Scholarship Recruits of the 119 we signed to be playing this season, with redshirt, so in the face of # 2 Alabama in The SEC Championship Game, # 1 and # 3 in the play-offs, # 5 Auburn, # 9 South Carolina, # 16 Clemson, Missouri, Georgie tek and Florida 2014 and with the backdrop of being in fact 54-26 latest half a dozen years averaging 5 or 4 losses for 6 years now :


you up and announce we're ready to take the next step.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@SimpleReason yikes; 

but we do it the right way; 

we were a tipped pass away; 

just wait til next year; 

we havent had any problems so far in August; 

2 SEC championships in 30+ years; 

we dont cheat like other National Champions


Dawg350
Dawg350

Rocky top.....well...just another day of you being a coward huh? If walks like a duck and quacks like one then you are a coward! Coward!!!!!!!!!! Haha

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@RockyTopp @Dawg350 


I think most of 350s stuff is pretty dayum good and hearing otherwise from a 10rc troll makes me like it much better!!!!!!!!!!


Of course one would wonder why 10rc would send a troll with a Single Digit  IQ  to speak for the former "We Love Kiffin" crowd of Hillbillies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dawg350
Dawg350

Ask Thomas brown that question

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


I told Mark Richt along with thousands of others to KICK HIM OFF THE TEAM the 1st Time he was ARRESTED here this year, STEALING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@ElemennoP 


All we all see here from you Eleanor is that you make personal attacks because the facts are too hard to face of how this program is in shambles today on and off the field.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


"Yeah our record against ranked road opponents hasn't been too good the last several years"


Hasn't been too good ?  We've played 10 and beat 1 team who would've forfeited anyway who is ranked for the seasons starting 2007, and LOST 9 of the 10 :


LOST 38-43 at Auburn 2013

LOST 27-31 at Vanderbilt 2013

LOST 35-38 at Clemson 2013

LOST 7- 35 at South Carolina 2013

LOST 31-49 at Auburn 2010

LOST 12-24 at Mississippi State 2010

LOST 6-17 at South Carolina 2010

*WON 30-24 at Georgie tek 2009* would’ve VACATED if they win too

LOST 10-24 at Okie State 2009

LOST 14-35 at Tennessee vols 2007

1-9 as Visitor vs teams ranked AP or Coaches’ for the seasons 2007-2013

http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_detail.php?steam=Georgia&fry=2008&thy=2013&teamname=Georgia&allop=1&cres=1


That what you call that Dawg350, sir ?


last several years

our record vs ranked road opponents hasn't been too good


"Yeah our record against ranked road opponents hasn't been too good the last several years"

ElemennoP
ElemennoP

@Dawg350 


A lot of these underage drinking problems would have been a moot point back when I was in Athens because the legal drinking age was 18.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Yep this is a new year man. If Todd gurley stays healthy then I think we are going to win a championship and I'm sticking to my opinion rather you like it or not!

SimpleReason
SimpleReason

@ThomasBrown @SimpleReason 


Per usual most of the discussion on an AJC blog is nonsensical off subject drivel.  And it's typically spouted by those who have no idea what they are talking about.  It's not an endorsement of UGA....it's an indictment.  There may be no program in America that has been so underachieving relative to it's resources. 


Whether it's a bitter Tech fan who is going to dog UGA because it's in their DNA

Whether it's an Auburn or Alabama fan disgruntled that they have to live in Georgia because they can't find gainful advancing employment in their own state...which means they live in Metro Atlanta and contribute involuntarily to Georgia's ever increasing stature.


Or it's every other post by the buttnut fan who's state is on the decline, and his team gets blasted every time they play a southeastern school.


It's as consistent as the atomic clock.  UGA is middling, underachieving program so unimportant that this blog is littered with rival fans.  ;)


Dawg350
Dawg350

Thanks Snaggle...hope you are doing well

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@ThomasBrownUGA @Dawg350 


Now that is a  HUUGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE  Surprize!!!!!!!!!!!!


CMR  D I D   N O T    T A K E    THOMA$$  BROWN'S sincere recommendations on  H O W    T O   W I N   A   M N C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What was Richt thinking???????????????

Dawg350
Dawg350

Don't you think that's a little too harsh to kick somebody off the team for their first offense as long as it wasn't rape?

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


And, I said the same thing about Christian LeMay - before we even recruited him, kicked-off his high school team.


And, not only him, but his brother Uriah LeMay too - also arrested including cashing twice a check which he ALSO stole from his roommate.


Not even his own check.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@ThomasBrown 


Will you ever come up with anything original again or are we sentenced to read your repetitive drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until you plagiarize yourself into oblivion ??? 


I certainly hope so!!!!!!!!!!!! 

ElemennoP
ElemennoP

@ThomasBrown 


The subject of the article is "Is UGA really the third-best job in college football?"


Must you continue to bore us with more stats such as scores from 2007 and other riveting subjects such as Coach Richt's salary calculated down to the minute and second.  What do you do to occupy yourself during the day rather than posting inane stats?  Do you have any hobbies?  A love life?  A job?

Dawg350
Dawg350

Yep. Hey they are so much under age drinking going on these days. It happens more than just at UGA. It happens at all colleges across America.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


I love this crud from you.  Weasel writing 1st you say we're ready to take the next step when we're 54-26 last half of his career here - what the next step 55-25 ? Then you say we are not winning many of the games vs teams who are ranked for any season from 2007 to 2013 when except 1 we've lost every one of 10 games all the way back after 2006.  Now, you follow those 2 jewels of weasel wording with this one :


GOING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP


Hogwash again, what SEC East Champion tied with the team who ACTUALLY played and Won The SEC Championship Game, when they beat us head-to-head ?


Let's do something.


It will not be 2014-2015 as the 9 games on our gauntlet are far too tough for the likes of Hutson Mason.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@SimpleReason  nothing will change until we get boosters like Alabama and Florida

UGA's boosters still think Bobby Dodd is the head coach at Tech and still cant let go of that 8 game losing streak we had to him

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@SimpleReason @FlatTire 


"  grind ribeyes into hamburger "


Is that what it's called when you've had the 2nd best recruiting ranking, VALIDATED by the 2nd most NFL Draft Picks 2001-2014 and have to show for that, 54-26 over the entire 2nd Half of the Mark Richt era and 11 Arrests/Suspensions of the recruits the Mark Richt Apologists BRAGGED on Mark Richt for bringing here.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@SimpleReason


Well, yeah...


There is a clique of very vocal minority, Mark Richt NOT INCLUDED, who are HAPPY with the state of our program.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@ThomasBrown @Dawg350  I suppose you will eventually get around to explaining to us how one would go about "cashing twice a check which he ALSO stole from his roommate  and "Not even his own check"!!!


How do you steal a check from yourself and cash it twice or was the "Not even his own check"  an unnecessary add-on just to make your post look longer????


ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@ElemennoP


THAT'S what we're talking about here, dip ?


How I can coach compared to Mark Richt ?


Or, we're talking about him 54-26 and 11 Arrests/Suspensions ?

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@ElemennoP


The facts are it is undisputed that UGA is 1 of the very top best jobs in all of college football - that's what this blog says dimwit.  And, the POINT is he's 54-26 right now TODAY the latest 6 years, and did THIS NOW TODAY SIR with the 2nd best recruiting ranking average borne out by the 2nd most NFL Draft Picks.


Some can put 2 and 2 together.


THIS is # 23 in the nation TODAY.


You wouldn't be 1 of those.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Do you know that for a fact that mason won't be able to handle it? No you don't! Also I haven't weaseled out of anything. I still think UGA will win a championship and our road record in the past won't matter this year

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ThomasBrown  3

If I not mistaken Columbus Dawg who claims he knows some boosters admitted that the boosters love beating Tech

Remember Donnan was fired because he lost to Tech even though Richts last 8 years look like Donnans record

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@FlatTire 


35-13 Jim Donnan's last 4 years here for which he was fired

36-18 Mark Richt's last 4 years here


.7292 vs .6667

Dawg350
Dawg350

Plus donnan never won the sec. Richt has won the sec east 5 times! We are close to a break through. I don't care what you negative dawg fans think. I don't really think y'all are dawg fans. If y'all want to live in the past then go ahead...knock yourselves out! For me though I'm looking ahead and I damn sure believe that we are gonna have a special year. Richt finally has himself another good DC. We haven't had a good DC since BVG. But you can't blame Richt for that...,he can't help it bud foster and john chavis turned UGA down. But none of that matters now...our staff is great one!

Dawg350
Dawg350

Well I don't care who you are...even if you are Richt. If you lose 3 years in a row to tech you should be fired.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ThomasBrown   posting facts on this blog will not get you membership into the "Red Pants Society"

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

@Dawg350 


And, if you're # 23 in Won/Lost for the entire 2nd Half of your Career here with the 2nd highest average recruit rankings and 2nd most NFL Draft Picks to prove it at 54-26, you should be, what, Dawg350 ?


Haled as the 2nd Coming ?

Dawg350
Dawg350

Donnan did....98...99 and 2000