Posted: 9:08 am Thursday, July 3rd, 2014

ESPN survey: Matt Ryan is a second-tier quarterback 

By Mark Bradley

He wears No. 2, and he's ranked in Tier 2. (Curtis Compton/AJC)

He wears No. 2, and he’s ranked in Tier 2. (Curtis Compton/AJC)

In the effort to rank the NFL’s quarterbacks, Mike Sando of ESPN Insider has conducted a survey of 26 front-office types. For the Atlanta Falcons, the good news is that Matt Ryan ranks No. 8 overall. (Though he’s tied with three others for the eighth spot.) The sobering news is that some of those FO types are quoted, albeit anonymously, as feeling chilly toward Matty Ice.

Sando’s ranking groups five quarterbacks into the top tier: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck. The second tier begins with Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. Thence cometh the Iceman. Tied with Ryan at No. 8 are Tony Romo, Russell Wilson and Eli Manning. Joe Flacco ranks 12th. Cam Newton, who heads Tier 3, is 16th.

Of Ryan, Sando writes:

I was surprised to see Ryan command zero Tier 1 votes and six Tier 3 votes. Nearly everyone said Ryan needed to prove himself in the playoffs. There was a feeling Ryan would never be able to carry his team the way the very best QBs have.

The comments aren’t laudatory. One “personnel evaluator” called Ryan “the most disappointing guy to me.” A “former GM” characterized him as “a guy that is a little bit hesitant and cannot pull the trigger.” Another “evaluator” deemed him “a solid starter who will never be a top five quarterback.”

Another “former GM” offered this not-exactly-ringing defense: “If you told me I’m getting a guy who can win 10 games and get you to the championship game and lose, I’d take it in a heartbeat.”

After six seasons, that’s the consensus — outside the Flowery Branch complex if not within it — regarding the Falcons’ highest-paid and best-known player: He’s very good but not quite great. Still, if you see that as proof the Falcons will never win a Super Bowl with Ryan, go back to Sando’s survey. Six of the past nine Super Bowl champs have had Tier 2 quarterbacks.

278 comments
Dman
Dman

@ TROLLS

Over 4100 people have read this artical and voted. 75% think Matty Ice is plenty good enough to lead us to a Superbowl victory and 25% are mostly trolls. Falcon Fans win...

Rightsaid
Rightsaid

Just google "Matt Ryan hook slide 6 yard line saints " and you have your answer

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

tyger blogged:

"R. Wilson, C. Newton, C.Kaepernick...

Were deserving of Tier 2 rank..."


ALL 3 had a "stellar D, GREAT OL and super solid running game" last season; read my previous post and you MIGHT notice a similarity/trend. WOW this a really strange coincidence! No.......then these QBs must be future HOF QBs for sure!!!!! HA HA HA yeah right. {for the record, I am a huge fan of Russell Wilson & I think Kaepernick is VERY fortunate to have sooooo much talent to play with in SF}

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

Sooooo many people claim Tom Brady is the greatest QB ever.........Tom Brady would have been a no name (played a few season and became another decent QB) IF he had been drafted by Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Raiders, etc. He probably would have had less success than Matt Ryan if he had been drafted by the Atlanta Falcons at the same time as Ryan (not a possible outcome due to draft classes, but you get the idea).


Matt Cassel proves this point......Cassel was a freakn SUPER STAR his one year as a starter in NE (with Belicheck, a GREAT OL, a solid running game, and a good defense). He has been a huge BUST for every other team he has played.


Steve Young also proves this point.....he was an official BUST in TB after 5 seasons as a starter; then he goes to SF and becomes a HOF QB!!


Joe Flacco had  couple decent seasons and then his TEAM won the SB.........he is average at best; but they won because the stellar D, GREAT OL and super solid running game.


Trent Dilfer had one decent season and then his TEAM won the SB.........he is not a solid NFL QB; but they won because the stellar D, GREAT OL and super solid running game.


Ben Rothlesberg had 3-4 really good seasons and then his TEAM won the SB.........he is average at best; but they won because the stellar D, GREAT OL and super solid running game.


Come on people: WAKE UP!!

tyger
tyger

R. Wilson, C. Newton, C.Kaepernick...

Were deserving of Tier 2 rank...


All 3 made playoffs...

All 3 made past 1st round...

2 went to Conference Championships...

1 won Super Bowl...


Tier 2 Review:


Phillip Rivers won 1st round matchup...

Roethlisberger was hurt all year...

Tony Romo didn't do isht...again

Eli, Matty Slice both isht their pants...

JONBONBON
JONBONBON

I wish we would get Jeff George back on board playing a back-up role

zuzu331
zuzu331

Of course Ryan hasnt been an 'Elite' QB up to this point. This is hardly news and not worth all the lather. One very solid QB not mentioned at all by anyone is Doug Flutie,a great player,outstanding person and Leader on and off the field. Was he 'Tier One'? Nope. Who Cares? The Falcons had a terrible year last year for a number of reasons. All this can be argued forever,whos better,why they won or lost this game,that game. All just someone's opinion. Jamal Anderson and Terrell Davis are two examples of great football players that todays average fan wouldnt know from Adam. Bad Luck. Heres hoping the Falcons can get it all together and Ryan finally gets some decent protection and support,he deserves it.

RandyFalcon
RandyFalcon

People tend to rank players on the "What have you done for me lately" rating system. Last year Ryan didn't have much to work with. No running game, poor protection and his best receivers hurt most of the year. Even with that he had respectful numbers. This year the O-line should be much improved and hopefully our receivers stay healthy. The running game should be better but how much better is still in question. Hey guys all QB's look the same laying on their backs. 

UGADawg16
UGADawg16

Nice article MB. The only problem with the Falcons winning with a 2nd tier QB is when he's paid like a tier 1. I know Flacco is in the same neighborhood on both ranking and salary....but Flacco got the big contract after the Ravens won the SB...and they had to have a fire sale to sign him and followed with 8-8.

I think it is the difference between someone who can get hot and carry a team through the playoffs and someone who is extremely consistent in getting their team to the playoffs. If they can do both, I think that makes them a 1st tier guy.

RodfromCollegePark
RodfromCollegePark

" The Falcons were a few yards away from making the Super Bowl in January 2013.  If his defense hadn't given up a 17 point lead, Ryan would have made it to the Promised Land.   This is why a lot of this "hasn't won in the playoffs" talk is so often nonsense."

If the offense, where all of our money was spent, had scored more than six points in the half we win.  That falls on Matt Ryan.


"Ok. What happened in the 20-2 playoff game vs the Giants with everyone on offense healthy? I guess that occurred in the alternate universe."

Exactly.  Ryan had all those weapons and could not put up a field goal?  The reason the Giants won was because they stacked the box to stop the run, and dared Matt Ryan to throw the ball down the field, which he can't.  They knew that, as does everyone else in the league except delusional Falcon fans.

Termigator
Termigator

What tier Sports Writer is Bradley?

rc35
rc35

"by far the greatest QB the Falcons have ever had"--Steve Bartkowski would have to be a pretty strong candidate for that honor.  


And for one magic Monday night, there was "General" Bob Lee..., but that's not "ever" land.  


EricEllis
EricEllis

I absolutely agree with their consensus honestly.  Matt Ryan is by far the greatest QB the Falcons have ever had but if he doesn't improve his post season play he has definitely reached his peak already.  The difference I have with those personnel people is that I do believe that Ryan will improve in the playoffs and that he will lead this team to a championship.  Once that is said and done, Matt Ryan will easily be ranked in the top tier and probably will go to Canton eventually...

JaySly
JaySly

New Orleans is overrated again--atl will beat them twice!

SeenThatB4
SeenThatB4

Just keep MRyan as your starting QB, that's all the Who Dat Nation asks!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

The Matt Ryan haters are simply ignorant.


Poor defense, horrible running game the past 2 seasons and REALLY pitiful OL for his entire career (add the numerous & significant team injuries in 2013) and then look at the success Matt Ryan been able to accomplish in Atlanta!!!!!! 


Really look deep at his winning percentage, QB ratings, leadership qualities, etc. He has the MOST 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL over the past 5-6 seasons........that says a bunch given the supporting cast in Atlanta!!! 


Official QB ratings for first 5 seasons as a starter in the NFL:


Matt Ryan 90.6   Poor OL entire career; pitiful team first 2

Brett Farve 89.4   VERY solid team most of these 6 seasons  

Tom Brady 88.5   VERY solid team & OL most of these 6 seasons

Peyton Manning 88.1   Poor OL 1st season; then drafted OL studs

Steve Young 88.0   TB first 2 then VERY solid team next 4

Phillip Rivers 87.4   Decent team with good OL all 6 years

Drew Brees 87.3   Solid team most of these 6 seasons

Joe Flacco 84.3   VERY solid team most of these 6 seasons

Aaron Rodgers 82.0   VERY solid team most of these 6 seasons

Eli Manning 77.0   Poor OL first 2 then VERY good OL next 4

John Elway 72.6   VERY solid team most of these 6 seasons


Facts are facts.........opinions are biased & often slanted!


Teams win Super Bowls.......the QB simply cannot win a SB without a solid team (especially without a good or great defense and a solid OL). Matt Ryan has never had a solid Defense or a better than average OL!!!!!!!


Wake up people.....become informed and get real.

JSSN
JSSN

@Dman

Congratulations on winning the AJC voters poll! When does Goodell present the trophy? All is well again in Fantasy land! Oh by the way, here's reality!

DawgnIT
DawgnIT

@HonestInformed So the Falcons have been chopped liver during Ryan's career?  I thought the Falcons were on the verge of a SB considering they've had two 13-win seasons and hosted an NFC Championship Game.


All I know is the Falcons have been plenty good enough in the regular season to make the playoffs a lot under Ryan's watch yet only mustered 1 win in that time.  I know their last playoff trip involved not being able to protect a lead in back-to-back weeks.  I would think a "tier 1" QB would have been able to drive his team for 1 field goal at some point in the 2nd half against San Francisco with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, Michael Turner, and Jaquizz Rogers at his disposal which would have likely put the Falcons in position to kick a game winning FG on their final possession.


There's also plenty of QBs in NFL history who have put up nice numbers without winning anything of significance so are they all "tier 1" QBs as well?

Just saying...

JSSN
JSSN

@HonestInformed

Wow, where to start...

Steve Young didn't start 5 years in Tampa (2 seasons)

Flacco and the "Stellar Baltimore D myth" still lives, we'll wait while you get the numbers to back that claim up. Don't hurt yourself, because that defense went away in 2010.

Trent Dilfer didn't even have a "decent season" the year Baltimore won the Super Bowl! His best season was 1997, he got out of the way and made plays when he needed to in the post-season.

Ben Roethlisberger, love him or hate him, despite playing behind a line that has allowed 40+ sacks 5 times in his career, makes big throws under pressure, especially in the post-season! Please tell me about the "super solid running game" he was playing with in 2008 and 2010?

As far as for Brady, PaulinNH pretty much summed that one up, but let me add, he won two Super Bowls with Troy Brown and David Patten as his primary pass catchers. He should be canonized for that fact alone!

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@HonestInformed 

Matt Cassel went 10-5 with an 89.5 QB rating in his one year as a starter in New England - and they didn't make the playoffs. Who knew that was being a "SUPER STAR" - he had a similar record (10-5, 93.0 rating) in his second year at KC.

The year before Cassel QB'd the Pats, Brady went 16-0 in the regular season with a 117.2 QB rating and was a miracle play away from his 4th Super Bowl victory.

Yep - Tom Brady is completely overrated and would never have done anything outside of New England.

BTW - Care to guess how Belichik did as a HC before he had Brady?

Dman
Dman

I hope we will, thanks...

RangeRover
RangeRover

Ignore these dimwitted girly men that never had the adequate anatomical substinance to need a jock. They never played the game!

Dan Fouts was just as capable as any other QB but he never had the defense and running game to match....same as Matt Ryan!

There have been many, many QB's capable of winning one or more QB's but, as you pointed out, it all has to come together and at the right time to end up as the only one of thirty-two teams to end the season with a win.

mar1049
mar1049

@HonestInformed You must be related to the local radio so-called sports analyst. They too have been coming up with all kinds of excuses everyday why the Falcons stunk to high heavens last season. 

slydawg
slydawg

We are informed. Facts? 1-4 in the postseason and not one trophy. Go back to your cave. No one here said he sucked. He's just not a premeir QB. BTW, those ratings you listed suggest a guy who does not take risks nor puts his team on his back. Remember the slide at the goal line last year? How you like those facts. The game film don't lie.

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @Dman Congratulations on answering to 'Troll'. Its good to know what you are,isnt it?  suppose you are stepping forward as Representative for yourself,'Barves Loss Again' and SeenThatB4. When do you accept your trophy?

AlejandroColeon
AlejandroColeon

@JSSN @Rightsaid uuummmm... SOo ur like that  weird highschool kid that hates the popular girl but follows her around. all the time and keep a secret shrine under your bed of her? just sad... "bookmarked" really? ru proud of that statement ?

AlejandroColeon
AlejandroColeon

@DawgnIT if they're consistent as Matt ryan yup! i will wait on you to start naming .........tick tock...

JSSN
JSSN

@RangeRover

Dan Fouts played with 2 above average NFL defenses in his prime in 1979 and 1980. The Chargers got what deserved for trading a Hall of Fame Defensive end in Fred Dean away while being in a division with the Oakland Raiders who killed people by passing vertically! After 1980, they were done.

Fouts real problem was that he and teammates screwed the pooch when they had opportunities to get to the Super Bowl with 8 turnovers in elimination games in 79 and 80! Go look at those games again, I love Dan Fouts but he had some horrible games at inopportune times. The offense put them (the defense) on short fields (especially in 1980). Down 14 after one quarter. They played well enough defensively to win both of those games 

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

@DawgNole @HonestInformed 


I did not say Matt Ryan played on a great team which could win in the playoffs......I am simply using stats and facts to make the point that he has had a significant amount of success given the poor D and OL players on the Falcons roster! He is OBVIOUSLY "better than average to pretty dang good NFL quarterback".


As I stated before: "Teams win Super Bowls.......the QB simply cannot win a SB without a solid team (especially without a good or great defense and a solid OL). Matt Ryan has never had a solid Defense or a better than average OL!!!!!!!"  Maybe I should have said teams with weak OL and or defenses usually do not win playoff games or Super Bowls REGARDLESS of the QB?????

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

@slydawg 


I did not say Matt Ryan played on a great team which could win in the playoffs......I am simply using stats and facts to make the point that he has had a significant amount of success given the poor D and OL players on the Falcons roster! He is OBVIOUSLY "better than average to pretty dang good NFL quarterback".


As I stated before: "Teams win Super Bowls.......the QB simply cannot win a SB without a solid team (especially without a good or great defense and a solid OL). Matt Ryan has never had a solid Defense or a better than average OL!!!!!!!"  Maybe I should have said teams with weak OL and or defenses usually do not win playoff games or Super Bowls REGARDLESS of the QB?????


Logic does not work on people who are ultra-biased by hate (i.e. Matt Ryan haters).

JSSN
JSSN

@slydawg

He just hit us with the "Facts" claim. Meanwhile he fails to use context.

Aaron Rodgers first 5 season in the NFL? He never started a game until his 4th full season in the League. He's never had a regular season rating below 93.8 as a true starter, never! Rodgers has also had two seasons with sacks exceeding 50!

You can go down his lists and pick through most of it in the same manner. Nevertheless, it would be unfair in the same manner. Look, give the ratings for his play in the post-season compared to those QBs. That's the true reality.  He had 2012 as his only good outing. Good is not enough, he needed to be great.

The Dan Fouts line, go look it up. This is where you are now in terms of Ryan. This is supposedly his prime. Fouts went 3-4 with 12 TDs and 16 INTs in the post-season with arguably the greatest array of receivers and skill talent in the backfield assembled even more than the Niners or the 1999 Rams. What most of you are hoping for is that he has an Ken Anderson year and gets to a Super Bowl. That did not turn out well by the way.

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

What? Are you going to have some South African flashbacks and start using rubber bullets and fire ringed tires with your fantasy Black Water buds?

JSSN
JSSN

@AlejandroColeon

"Popular," wow a team in the lower 3rd of team values and Q rating, and you're trying to talk about "popular?" Good night, you can't freakin' top that one!

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @RangeRover  Are you aware that no one and I mean NO ONE gives a Damn about any of that? Dan Fouts was just as good as anyone else and everything else was all timing,circumstances and luck,Period.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@HonestInformed @DawgNole

And as I stated before: "One and four in the playoffs--when the games REALLY matter--is fact, not opinion."

That doesn't mean that I disagree with your contention that he's never had a decent OL or D. Remains to be seen if the Falcons will provide him those elements. Not looking too favorable so far.

Dman
Dman

@JSSN

More of the same BLAH, BLAH, BLAH hate for our Falcons from JSSN.

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 Trying to link me with South African Apartheid is such a tiresome little Socialist Trick.Next youll try and somehow link me with Nazism.Sorry to disappoint,ask me about Humanitarian Missions and helping displaced folks in Natural Disasters...anyone who would post something like this:"If I wanted to keep you from having that stroke instead of a cardiac episode (which you're headed for), then I'd have said: "Here you need to start on some Labetalol." But then, I'd be doing the world a disservice!"needs help. That is way over the line and I do not appreciate it. How you get away with posting offensive garbage like that on here I dont know.

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

"Dan Fouts was just as good as anyone else and everything else was all timing,circumstances and luck,Period."

You make you on own circumstances. Dan Fouts was great, but the post-season excluding Winslow's magic night in the sub tropics at Miami were a horror show. In 3 post-season games of his 7 were great  disappointments! Only poor YA Tittle and Craig Morton (maybe John Hadl) keep Dan from being under the microscope more regarding post-season peril.  Boo, filth loves your company!

JSSN
JSSN

@Dman

Ha ha, he is what he is. Too funny, "hate." 

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

I lose no sleep in what you are. Here's a suggestion (take it or leave it), you can roll in fantasy (and you are truly rolling in that), and all of the tripe that you opine (the term fits). I don't post filth, you on the other hand, despite all of your grandstanding to the contrary, one dirty word after another. Each silly and nasty slight from the mid 20th century low brows after another. Sorry you don't see it.

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

4-12, ultimately that is what this all about.

Dman
Dman

@JSSN

Yes HATE, that's what you are all about. You never say anything positive about our Falcons on these Falcon blogs. Therefor you are all about saying as much negative nonsense as you can to try and make us Falcon fans feel bad because you are a miserable person and you want others to feel miserable too. It's pretty obvious. I actually feel sorry for you and wish you could find some peace in your life so you didn't have to come here to try and make others feel bad feelings.

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN You post anti Atlanta Falcons Propaganda on an Atlanta Falcons Blog. You ceaselessly put down this team and its fans.You belittle and bully everyone you disagree with,right out in the open. Dont take some Imaginary high ground because you dont rate it. I dont have to 'prove' anything to anyone,unlike yourself,you never stop bragging about who you know,where youve been,what youve done.Its quite pathetic,really. You shamelessly pander to the lowest common denominator on a daily basis and you presume to talk down to people. Who are you to judge? Youre another Schmoe on the Free Fan Blog,thats all.

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 Yep.They were 4-12 last year. Just like the 49rs were 2-14 in 2004 and 4-12 in 2005.Just like the Seahawks were 2-14 in 1992 and 4-12 in 2008. Just like the Patriots were 1-15 in 1990 and 2-14 in 1992. All teams have up years and down years. Its a GAME and the Falcons,like all teams,will have their up years and their down years. Since you hate them and their fans so much,why are you HERE? Other than proving yourself to be the most insufferable person this side of Sheldon Cooper,I dont know what your point is.

JSSN
JSSN

@Dman

And who thought that a drone was only a device used by the American military? Well, you just proved that one wrong! 

Oh I forgot, you deal in "facts." 4-12 is why you feel bad, live with it! Their baseline is 8-8, if you don't see the positive in that, well it is obviously on you.


JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

1. Mark Bradley is a columnist.

2. D. Orlando Ledbetter is a beat writer.

3. The above two are not employed by the Falcons; and at last look neither have taken up the cause of being such.

4. You folks ruined the true "Atlanta Falcons Blog" in terms of the AJC and it no longer exists. Whose fault is that? I didn't post there.

5. Your pot is still black. 4-12, propaganda? You have no clue, but you will continue to play that this is a quality football team. I won't even use the "elite" term that was paraded around these parts.

6. 4-12, and 0-8 against teams whose records were .500 or above. Still I've given them a baseline of 8-8 in the 2014, but I'm negative? OK, enjoy fantasyland.

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

Difference, those teams can the clowns and moved on. You hired the clowns instead and are counting on them to suddenly be able to scheme a miracle. Ha ha, good luck with that! ;-)

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 Im sure the Falcons are relieved that JSSN of the Free Fan Blogs have 'given' them a baseline of 8-8. Whackjob!

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 1. I dont care about any of that,who you know,where youve been,what youve done or any of the other pretentious know it all crap you post.


2. No one else on here does,either!

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 I didnt hire anyone. Maybe theyll suck again. If thats the case Its a certainty theyll have to retool the front office in a major way. Maybe they wont-thats the fun of it. Either way,Its a game and just not that big of a deal to me. Sorry it is to you. BTW,I say Ha,Ha,you say SMDH or some other permutation of twitter speak acronyms that SOCAL mall kids use. Dont mimic what I say back to me,that is Creepy as Hell.

AlejandroColeon
AlejandroColeon

@JSSN @JSSN  Obviously, this guy doesn't actually watch the falcons play. He's the kind of person that glance at previews; read articles in the off seasons and watch highlights on nfl network  because hes to lazy to actually do his own study and self-analysis.  Never mind the stats but flickers between channels to watch one of his favorite teams loses to us. So i would take everything he says with shaker full of salt

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331 and whoever that is playing at trying to figure me out

You two flaming each other, priceless!

I've seen every Falcons game in whole with the exception of the 1987 season since 1972. You better obtain a new salt shaker. By the way, former season ticket holder 1989-2006. Bunch of amateur armchair psych student wannabes. Enjoyed the speculation, it made for a jolly laugh!

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 BTW,you have some nerve talking about amateur anything after Ellen Schwartz had this to say about you and your so called 'production professionals' you brag ad nauseum about:"Theres a lower quality among crews in incentive-heavy states such as Georgia","They have no passion and they think they KNOW IT ALL." Wow,has she got your number or what? Now THAT makes for a 'jolly laugh,'

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 No,actually,he flamed you. I misunderstood and apologized. You seem to have some severe logic and comprehension issues. Ive noticed you flip and turn very simple statements and concepts every which way.  You 'reframe' pretty much everything thats said to somehow suit your particular agenda at the moment. Its nice you get some kind of happiness out of something in life. Sad that is has to be being an a**hole on the internet. Pathetic,actually...

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

Yawn, Ellen Schwartz hasn't said crap about "me." I've worked the entire production world from Vancouver BC to Auckland to Hong Kong. Funny, She didn't have any problem working with Georgia crews when she was here working on 'Miss Congeniality!' Nothing worse than a hypocrite.You keep working your angles, there are enough low knowledge folks to believe your silliness. Good for them, I predate production incentives and runaway productions. I'm still laughing at you all day long. You haven't a clue. That is the epitome of cluelessness that you embody.

Oh yeah, 'Crispy.'

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 Like I just said,you can reframe,twist and turn it any way you like. You are condemning yourself,attacking,insulting and belittling everyone you disagree with. You dont have the guts to do anything but nitpick,troll and make absurd threats. Nobody cares where youve been and where youve worked. 

zuzu331
zuzu331

@JSSN @zuzu331 Thats it? Is that a joke or a putdown or what? You must have stacks of old Big Bang scripts laying around or something. After reading the pissy little posts you hammer out it really feels like Ive taken the Sheldon Cooper Virtual Experience,Duuuude.

JSSN
JSSN

@zuzu331

You really need to get a satellite. Stuck on Chuck Lorre helmed comedy is no way to go through life! No 'Dharma and Greg' reruns on in your fantasy world?