Posted: 1:31 pm Friday, May 30th, 2014

Auburn’s thirst for national titles can’t be slaked 

By Mark Bradley

Ho, hum. Another day, another Auburn title. (Hyosub Shin/AJC)

Ho, hum. Another day, another Auburn title. (Hyosub Shin/AJC)

At the rate this is going, Auburn and Alabama won’t stop until one or the other, if not both, has laid claim to every football national championship since Rutgers beat Princeton 6-4 on Nov. 6, 1869. (And we all know Auburn and/or Alabama would have beaten either of those Northerners had the Southern bastions of higher learning gotten around to fielding a team.)

Alabama claims 15 national titles, some of dubious pedigree. (Here’s the Al.com story by Jon Solomon detailing how the school annexed No. 12.) Not to be outdone by its best buddy, Auburn is making eyes at past prizes. As noted by Dan Wolken of USA Today, Auburn began listing its 1913, 1983 and 1993 teams as “champions” on its Web site earlier this month. (Here’s the Web page in question.)

From this week’s SEC meetings in Destin, Fla., Brandon Marcello of Al.com quotes Auburn AD Jay Jacobs as saying the school is considering “whether to claim national titles in 1910, 1913, 1914, 1983, 1993 and 2004 in the next several weeks.” (Never mind that it appears three have those six have already been “claimed,” if only via digital domination.)

That would give the Tigers eight national titles, as opposed to the two — in 1957 and 2010 — previously ascribed. I’d call that one windfall of an offseason.

The issue, as Wolken wrote, is legitimacy. The most credible source declaring Auburn, which finished third in both major polls, the 1983 champ is the New York Times. The case for the 1993 title is that Auburn, which was on probation and ineligible to play for the SEC title or grace a bowl, went 11-0 in its first season under Terry Bowden. But no recognized outlet, not even the New York Times, tabbed those Tigers as No. 1 when the ’93 season was done. (The Tigers received only four of 62 first-place votes in the final Associated Press poll.)

Tommy Tuberville, who coached the 2004 Tigers to an unbeaten season but saw his team shut out of the BCS title game, told USA Today’s Wolken that he believes the Tigers should be considered national champs because Southern Cal was stripped of its crown and Oklahoma, which lost to the Trojans in the Orange Bowl, lost a game. But the game was to Southern Cal. If that game is considered a forfeit, shouldn’t the Sooners have a claim, too? (The BCS skirted the issue by leaving its 2004 title vacant.)

Such a slippery slope. If all it takes to be No. 1 is saying you kind of deserved to be No. 1, is a “championship” worth the paper — or the cyberspace — on which it’s listed? No, but Auburn fans won’t care. And before you know it, they’ll find a way to claim the 2013 title, too. Because Jameis Winston shouldn’t have been allowed to play in the championship game. Or because Kelvin Benjamin shouldn’t have been permitted to jump that high. Or because of something.

160 comments
RxDawg
RxDawg

Pathetic.  Especially the 1993 claim. "Keep it down low cuz..."

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

Until the College playoff go to an eight team format there won't be a true Champion. Four teams are better than it was but the Championship game is suppose to be the best two teams at the end of the season. To think a team can't lose the first two games and progress so much the last 10 games that they just can't be the best team is crazy. A 4 team playoff will never let that play out but an eight team playoff could. A great example would have been the Great Alabama - Georgia  SEC Championship game in 2012. With a 4 team playoff Georgia would not have gotten in but with an Eight Team Playoff Georgia would certainly have claim one of the spots.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Bama really wins a title each year and that one is having the best fleet of recruit Escalades in the country

LostGoat
LostGoat

alabama's offense is loaded ---the best running backs in the country, decent D---they will likely win another title

LakeDawg
LakeDawg

I think UGA shuld claim every NC since 1900!

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

If you have 6 nc by publications, list them as there were no 2-team play-offs until the BCS era now over replaced by the +1 model I said the entire BCS era would be a great improvement with now this 2014 four-team play-off.

BSNBC
BSNBC

They both are cheaters

Hemmorid_Sufferer_2
Hemmorid_Sufferer_2

This is why I prefer the pro game over college. You can decide a champion without the delusional banter from the fans. 

Dynasty
Dynasty

In terms of polled national titles Bama has 9 AP and 1 UPI-the forerunner of the current other poll. The 9 AP and 10 overall poll titles leads everyone. ND is 2nd with 8 AP titles. 

Dynasty
Dynasty

Now that we got that out of the way, Georgia can officially claim shares of national titles for the following seasons using Auburn's newfound logic: 1927, 1942, 1946, 1966,1968,1980, 2002. "


Not quite Chuck. 1966 Bama was clearly the best team in the nation. After winning national titles in 64 and 65 Alabama started out 1966 ranked 3rd behind ND and Mich state which played to a 10-10 tie in the "game of the century". Alabama which finished unbeaten and untied remained no. 3. The 66 team Bear Bryant regarded as his greatest team ever. 


As for a 2002 title claim that would just be plain bizarre. Ohio State finished unbeaten and beat no. 1 and previously unbeaten Miami for the crown. Georgia lost a game. Therefore they had no right to claim a title over an unbeaten Ohio St. 


Georgia can possibly claim 2-3 legitimate national titles but that's about it. 

bigmacondawg
bigmacondawg

Auburn is a bunch of cheaters. Even worse that Tech.

We will kick their arses this year, too.

grh0317
grh0317

Auburn should take the SEC  title and could play in NC..

Dynasty
Dynasty

Alabama has one very dubious title in 1941. But we also left several on the table such as 1966 and 1977 where we definitely should have been crowned national titles. We also finished undefeated and untied in 1945. We're right about where we should be with 15 national titles if not more. 

TallBaldGuy
TallBaldGuy

Ridiculous and horribly arrogant on Auburn's part.  Quit digging in the past and take care of what is going on now.

LostGoat
LostGoat

Auburn was "really good" a couple of years --- can they count those as titles?  Mark this down--this year, the dogs are going to beat auburn like a rented mule----Pruitt's D will shut down that gimmick offense.  Dogs 30 au 20!

AUTALON
AUTALON

What a surprise, another "HIT PIECE" on Auburn University from Mark Bradley. The truth, Auburn has more undefeated seasons in the SEC since UGA won the national title in 1980. Auburn got a lot closer to winning the 2013 natty than UGA did. As an Auburn fan, I only support recognizing the clear NCs. Mark, you continue to serve as a dependent writer for UGA. Just ask the GA Tech Fans.  At least you know where you bread is buttered Mark. You are the least independent sports writer in the US, you are in Paul Finebaum territory or should I say, he is in yours...


DawgNole
DawgNole

Thastey

Mark:  

There's nothing quite like your objective and unbiased reporting when it comes to the subject of Auburn University football . . .

You later claim that only The New York Times recognized Auburn as a national champion in 1983.  This statement is both untrue and inaccurate . . . .

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BOTH untrue AND inaccurate??? Wow.

Is there any way it could be UNTRUE and ACCURATE?

How 'bout TRUE and INACCURATE?

Like our favorite weathermen say, "Let's take a look at the CURRENT conditions RIGHT NOW." 

ColumbusDawg
ColumbusDawg

Bama has some good backs, BEST in nation? Not so sure. QB? Not so sure. Does Bama want to tangle with the Dawgs again in ATL in 2014? Not so sure.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@ThomasBrown Yea, maybe the dawg nation will quit obsessing over a NC if they can count the Farmer Almanacs choice for champion in 1913. Good Grief.

DawginCO
DawginCO

@Dynasty  So why not just claim those and be good with it then?

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Dynasty 

Claiming 1968 is even more bizarre.  UGA went 8-1-2, including a 16-2 loss in the Sugar Bowl.  OSU went 10-0 with a 50-14 massacre of a good Michigan team and an easy victory in the Rose Bowl over a previously unbeaten Southern Cal featuring some guy nicknamed Juice who was having a Heisman-winning season.

Thastey
Thastey

@bigmacondawg  Didn't UGA just get a letter of inquiry from the NCAA for an academic fraud situation in men's swimming?   It sounds like you are casting stones from inside a glass house.  


majorbowl
majorbowl

@BoomTown  "Gimmick" offense? The 2013 Auburn offense is the only offense in SEC history to lead the nation in rushing. 4,596 rushing yards, dude.  Put down the hate and let that sink in.  Only a typical delusional Georgia football fan would consider the Malzahn/Auburn offense a gimmick.   

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@AUTALON 


Any teenager could write a "HIT PIECE"  on BARN with only 10 minutes of research because all one has to do is follow the odor from "The Plains".  It is a never-ending flow of corruption and the aiding and abetting of criminals booted out of schools that actually have  M O R A L S!!!!!!


BARN  = Lowest of the LOW   =   Whale Poop   =     Located on the PLAINS and at the Bottom of the oceans!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thastey
Thastey

@DawgNole


Nice.  That doesn't take away from the fact that the statements were both untrue and inaccurate though now, does it?    Do you not want to hold journalists accountable for being truthful and accurate?     


TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@gtcaryd @ThomasBrown 


Colorado won the NC in 1990 according to the AP website.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@Thastey @bigmacondawg  Oooohhhhh!!!  Men's swimming!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@majorbowl 


BARN's  G I M M I C K offense is  N O T   nearly  the biggest problem on The Plains.


If SMU had BARN's system they would never have missed a down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DawginCO
DawginCO

@majorbowl  only a delusional Barner would completely forget it required a miracle to beat Georgia in your own place. Watch what happens to your offense this year when the refs start calling penalties on those linemen 4 or 5 yards down field on every passing play.  You couldn't beat the worst Georgia defense in history without a miracle.  Not much to brag about there.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@DawginCO @AUTALON

I like "bleating." More effective than the oft-used (albeit accurate) "whining." Both remind me of gator fans.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@Thastey @DawgNole "You later allege that no one recognized Auburn as a national champion in 1993.  Again, your statement is both false and inaccurate."

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Both false AND inaccurate??? GASP! 

Enjoying your membership in the Dept of Redundancy Dept?

Duh!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@ThomasBrown @DawginCO @Dynasty 


I smell a  R A T!!!!!!!!!!!!


I believe there is an imposter posing as Thoma$$  Brown on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No way would TB post all these reasonably short( and some actually accurate) responses, etc.


If it continues we need to report it to the T O P   A U T HO R I T Y(aka POAD) 

Buzz-Off
Buzz-Off

Conditioning for swimming is light years more intense than football!!!

Thastey
Thastey

@TheOldGuy My point exactly.   If you are pulling that in swimming, what are you doing in sports that make a lot more money?  

majorbowl
majorbowl

@DawginCO @majorbowl  No delusion here, DawginCO. Maybe the altitude's getting to you, because you're missing the point. My comment above wasn't about Georgia. It was about BoomTown calling the Auburn offense a "gimmick" offense. After 4,596 yards rushing (which, by the way, is over 500 yards more than Aaron Murray had PASSING last year) in the SEC, running up 296 yards against an Alabama defense (that had averaged only giving up 91 yards/game coming in to the Iron Bowl) and rushing for 545 yards and 677 yards in total offense against Missouri in the SEC Championship...yes...a championship game, that anyone could call this offense a gimmick offense is either in denial or is ignorant about football.  I suspect that both are in play here. 


Also, if you took the time to analyze Gus Malzahn's offenses since he entered college football in 2006, you'll see year after year after year...his offenses have been ranked in the top 10 nationally, and in addition, never in any of those years did he have a returning quarterback.  Some gimmick. It's got to be the most productive gimmick in college football history. 


By the way, I haven't forgotten the miracle....but I also haven't forgotten how well your QB played that game, which is why the game was so close.  But you seem to have forgotten. You are right that the Georgia defense is not a good litmus test for anyone to judge the quality of their offense.  I'm not sure it was the worst GA defense in history (in the modern era, the 1990, 1993, 1995, 1999, and 2010 GA defenses would give the'13 defense a run for that designation), but it certainly would qualify for most underachieving GA defense, considering the perceived talent level on the field. 

Thastey
Thastey

@DawginCO @majorbowl   The butthurt is strong in this one.   It only required the miracle, because the refs "gave" Murray that last TD.  

Thastey
Thastey

@DawgNole @Thastey  Thanks for contributing to the discussion.  You have made no argumentative points whatsoever.  The fact that this reporter has made inaccurate statements apparently has gone straight over your head.  

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@majorbowl 


How many of the years you listed UGA defense as terrible did BARN come out winners???

DawgNole
DawgNole

@majorbowl

You forgot to mention how your boys blew an 18-point lead in the NC game vs FSU of the beleaguered ACC.

Why are we not surprised?

NCDawg
NCDawg

@Thastey  LOL.  Now there is true loser talk.  No butthurt.  Just fact.  Everybody outside of Auburn fans knows it was pure luck that won that game.  It was a horrible decision to throw that ball.  It was a terrible pass, under thrown by several yards.  It was sheer dumb luck that saved you Barners.  Lose that game and the wheels come off your season.  Pure dumb luck.

Nothing to brag about at all.  BTW,  Murray scored.  The officials gave Georgia nothing.  Whining about that is true butthurt.  Get some anusol if you are still feeling that.  LMFAO!

DawgNole
DawgNole

@Thastey @DawgNole

And you've made no points at all--only Auburn-biased whining.

He's not a "reporter." He's a columnist, who wouldn't have a job for long if he made a habit of posting "inaccurate untruths," as you've redundantly alleged.

Duh! (again)

majorbowl
majorbowl

I didn't mention that game or the loss at LSU or the other ten games that Auburn won last year...because it wasn't the point of my argument. I'll summarize once again...and I'll go slower this time so try and keep up: History has shown that Gus Malzahn's Auburn offense is not a "gimmick"...it is a time-tested, championship-level offensive scheme.

4,596 yards rushing in 2013.

Thastey
Thastey

@NCDawg @Thastey  Loser talk?   We won the game.  Regardless of how it happened, the better team won.  We went on to win the SEC title.   UGA has done that 2x's in 31 years.  So, I would say that's something to brag about.  We went on to play in the BCS title game for the 2nd time in 4 years.  Something UGA never did (1998-2013).   UGA is a close, but no  cigar type program.  


Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@DawgNole @Thastey 


D-N: Please save the facts for corresponding with those with a reasonable IQ.  BARN fans are mostly in the Single Digit category!!!!

Thastey
Thastey

@DawgNole @Thastey   So, are they inaccurate or not, clown shoes?    Or, does it matter, as long as he echoes the Dawgvent sentiment?     Maybe, you guys can win more than 2 SEC titles in the next 31 year period.  The Dream Team has certainly lived up to the hype.    


Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Thastey @NCDawg 


But they have kicked BARN's  a$$ 6 of the past 8 years by outrageous scores and D E F I N I T E L Y should have been 7 of the last 8.

Definitely not consistent except when using  CRIMINAL  QBs that had been booted from other teams for stealing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Thastey @DawgNole 


How many BARN  fans posted on here for the period between 2005 and 2012???? Approximately 3 or 4  times a year and the reason is they were holding their breath in hopes that BARN wouldn't receive

the  D E A T H P E N A L T Y over the  C A M  N E W T O N

S C A N D A L!!!!!


Not a peep out of most of them until another disgraced criminal

QB  showed up to give them a little breathing room. Now you can't shut them up but that will come before the 2014 season is over.