Posted: 7:58 am Wednesday, May 14th, 2014

Now is the spring of Georgia Tech’s discontent 

By Mark Bradley

Robert Carter Jr. is taking his talents elsewhere. (Johnny Crawford/AJC)

Robert Carter Jr. is taking his talents elsewhere. (Johnny Crawford/AJC)

Georgia Tech beat Georgia 2-0 at Turner Field on Tuesday to take the season series 2-1. And the Jackets recently received plaudits for the state of their academics. So the spring hasn’t been a complete waste.

It has, however, been rough.

Dave Walkosky, who coached Tech’s football special teams to positive effect, left the program this month without a real explanation. (Athletic director Mike Bobinski said in a statement that Walkosky chose “to pursue other opportunities.” Alrighty then.) Matt Griffin, the football director of player personnel, was fired with cause and left owing the Institute $9,388.35, according to esteemed colleague Ken Sugiura. Freshman B-back Travis Custis and linebacker-turned-defensive-end Jabari Hunt-Days were declared ineligible for the 2014 season.

And now Robert Carter Jr., Tech’s best holdover basketball player, is transferring to … somewhere. (Apparently he has also decided to pursue other opportunities.) Coach Brian Gregory will enter Season No. 4 minus the two highest-rated players he has signed since coming to Tech in April 2011 — guard Solomon Poole was dismissed from the squad last season — and without Trae Golden, Daniel Miller and Kammeon Holsey, all of whom completed their eligibility.

Tech’s record in football over the past two seasons is 14-13. Tech’s record in basketball under Gregory is 43-52 overall, 16-36 in ACC regular-season play. And Dan Radakovich sits in his office in Pickens County, S.C., and feels good about his decision to become Clemson’s athletic director.

139 comments
AFDawg
AFDawg

There are some delusional GT fans on here.  UGA is usually good for about one national championship (women's swimming and equestrian this year) and a couple of SEC championships (men's tennis and women's softball this year) every year.  Remember, the SEC is also the most competitive conference in the nation across the board.  Outside of it's past glory days in football -- GA Tech has only won one (let me repeat that -- one) NCAA national championship (in women's tennis a decade or two ago).  That is so utterly disgusting for a university of Tech's stature that GT fans should never open their mouths when a discussion about college sports programs begins.  And, if I recall -- UGA has won a national championship in baseball -- the first SEC school to crack that nut.  Many SEC schools have followed since then.  GT is losersville when it comes to championships -- UGA has 10 national championships in gymnastics alone (more than any other school in the country).  Please stop with this BS about we're competitive and not that bad -- you're not even on the map.  

grh0317
grh0317

Look at delusional dogs posting.. What a joke they are, aren't they? Damon Evans caught ' RED"

handed. This was a dog AD by the way. Jim Donnan a ponzi thief and former football coach at Thuga U.

Look at Jimmy Harrick .. Football players arrested in droves for double check cashing, drunk driving,

assault, etc.. No discipline what so ever....When the genius Political Outsider rants about student

athletes at GT he is sinking to a norm in dog mentality. When the Dawg 350 rants " book it" , he really

means book them into Clarke County jail.. UGA is a cesspool and over rated every year. It took

them 2 overtimes to beat GT in football last year A football mill just escaped disaster to student athletes. lol

Look for the mighty leghumpers to lose 7 games this year and one of them to GT.. Go Dwags...  

Dawgonnit
Dawgonnit

Academics are good but some adjustments in sports would be welcome. At the same time , the adjusting transfer rules are just getting started, so this could become the norm. On football side the defense is making good improvement and recruiting is making improvement.  The offense passing game remains a problem but with improved option maybe it will improve.  To me it's a couple of little things that need to be done, one switch to the Veer triple option with a West Coast Passing Scheme (easy to hit passes) and move back to the traditional uniforms (help in marketing). Surprised at Custis and Days who I thought were academically qualified.  Tech may need to screen better before it signs a player. As for Basketball, the new Mega ACC is not working to Tech's  benefit yet.  To me though the Coach, can find 12 solid players who can play  defense and provide some offense and stay with the program. However, this may be the new normal in college (GA. has lost several football players the last few years) so Tech needs a plan to meet this challenge. When the Basketball players started jumping to the NBA early that hurt Cremins and he never really made the adjustment and neither did Hewitt.

CraigSelf
CraigSelf

Also, how in the He!! does jawga get EIGHT home games and 4 away.

CraigSelf
CraigSelf

Why are UGA athletic supporters so Damn stupid?

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

So, after 94 posts on the subject, let's recap:

1) tech sucks at football

2) Tech sucks at basketball

3) Tech sucks at baseball

4) Tech sucks at all sports

5) Tech fans are OK with being perpetual losers in athletics

6) Tech is ranked the 39th best university in America

7) Tech is ranked #1 in whining, excuse making, UGA envy and bed wetting

8) Tech grads get good jobs, but they marry ugly women and produce ugly children

9) George Stein must be drunk and in need of a good DUI attorney

Pistol66
Pistol66

Mark, Tech is just fine!  This is not Kentucky football!  Yes, losing Custis deprives us of a real playmaker, but he will be back.  Carter is a loss, but this is a good move for him so he can rest his knee and have a very strong junior season before going to the NBA!  At Tech, he was going to have to play a lot of minutes and that was probably not good for his knee or stats!  Also, when the 7'4" kid gets here next year(if he sat out to rest) his role would be reduced.  GT basketball will be in a post season tournament this coming season and the football team will be in a bowl and 100% of our football players will graduate!  We could get there faster if we hired someone like Cheater Calipari, but we would have no honor or integrity!  Buying players like UK is not us and never will be and this basketball and football season ticket holder likes it like that!  GO JACKETS!  PS go ask Mark Richt why if uga is in the top five in the number of players in the NFL for the past decade and everyone else in the top ten in the same category has won or played for a mythical national championship, what value is uga receiving for all the money they are paying him?

MikeS777
MikeS777

Basketball needs to be a priority.  They have to get back somehow, and the ACC expansion has thrown them right into the most brutal conference slate in the nation.  Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pitt, and Louisville coming over has made the ACC the gauntlet that the Big East had been for most of the last decade.  UGA always had the football side, but Tech always had the basketball.  They need to get that back.

Besides it will be a lot easier than fixing the football program.  Whoever takes over for Johnson is in for a total rebuild, and who knows where that will end up.  Things will likely get worse before they get better.  I'm thinking it will cost the next coach his job.

Really DRad made 2 mistakes in succession with the football program:

1)  The move to Johnson was desperate and short sighted.  They were desperate to get a win, any win, over UGA.  So they gambled on an unconventional offense.  

2)  They locked the program into Johnson before they could see what would happen once Gailey's players left.  I can only assume they hoped Johnson would be able to continue to bring in talent like Dwyer and Nesbitt, or that no one would catch up with the option.  That way he could post 9+ win seasons no matter who he lined up.  I never believed that would be the case.  They tied the program to him before even seeing what he could do with his own players.  That really is what has tied their hands since the buyout on Johnson is just too much for them to absorb.

10percenter
10percenter

There a definitely some headwinds down on North Ave. We will see what the coaching staff and players are made of this season.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Tech is a cesspool! Hahahahaha hahahaha!

Iluvnutella
Iluvnutella

Way to rub it in...........at least we aren't in KY...do they play football there @ all Bradley?

LoyaltotheG
LoyaltotheG

"I will never understand where UGA fans get this sense of athletic superiority from. You aren't very good at anything."

With regards to UGA vs. GaTech, the athletic superiority is very much evident.  If the Tech argument here is "you got football, we are less bad in men's basketball, and we have baseball right now.....oh, and all other sports don't count", well hell, how pathetic. 

One thing I know....most of your standard, chip-on-their-shoulder Tech fans are very much well-aware of the success of most of UGA's athletic programs.  McGarity needs improve a few sports at UGA so we can win the SEC All-Sports trophy and quit finishing #2 in the SEC behind UF....which of course, puts us ahead of lots of SEC schools that are also superior to Tech :-)

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

Mark, I'm sure DRad feels good about his decision to move to Clemson, and so do most Tech fans.....good riddance to him; he's to blame for most of Tech's problems now.  And don't think that the Clemson fans are feeling good about him.  They already don't like him, and he's only been there a year.  He's trying to pull the same crap at Clemson that he pulled at Tech

DON1938
DON1938

It's not going to get any better; right GTBob??

Everyone knows the blame for this charade of big time college athletics can be attributed to: academics, curriculum, board of regents, Bobby Dodd, the Hill, apathy of the fan (?) base and the list goes on.  Same old excuses.  So Sad.

GTBob
GTBob

@AFDawg  The majority of your national championships have been in women's gymnastics or women's swimming and it isn't even close to one per year. As far as mens sports go your entire athletic program is pretty pitiful. When it comes to meaningful mens sports you are even worse than that. At least GT doesn't pretend like we are a great national athletic program. Schools like Florida, Stanford, and UCLA pretty much laugh at UGA and their inability to accomplish anything meaningful despite even with all of their illiterate athletes.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@AFDawg UGA official website shows 2 NC in Football, Tech has 4 junior. No soup for you!!!

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@AFDawg AF, let me say this as delicately as i can. Your damn swimming Coach is a cheat! Good Grief!

AFDawg
AFDawg

grh0317,  I knew I would hit a nerve -- the truth hurts a lot of times.  For every scandal UGA has had over the years -- I can match it with one from Tech.  I don't recall Georgia having to forfeit any conference championships for cheating.  For a Div 1A school, Tech arguably has one of the worst championship records in the entire nation.  I'm not trying to embarass or pick on you guys -- just please stop with the BS and lies.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@grh0317  

Don't forget their latest hire in Athens, a coach known for a predilection for coeds.  Watch out for him

LoyaltotheG
LoyaltotheG

@grh0317 Dude, drop the student-athlete bs.  It's Ga Tech, not Harvard, and the only reason Ga Tech teeters on the athletic mediocrity across the board it does attain is because the school in fact recruits many of the same players all the other "football factories" you folks wanna look down your noses on.  Kenny Anderson still went to Tech.  Stephon Marbury still went to Tech.  Joe Burns.  Your brilliant qb who couldn't count downs.   Tech wants to win like everybody else.  Tech will bend rules for athletes.  You have a big chip on your shoulders....because you're at Ga Tech, and YOU CAN DO THAT!!!  

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@Dawgonnit  Not sure what happened with Custis, but Hunt-Days just quit going to class.  His parents are PO'd at him and have laid down the law.

AFDawg
AFDawg

I guess we're not as stupid as you think :-).

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@PoliticalOutsider  Hmmm, Tech sucks at basketball but OWNS the mutts in basketball and always has.  Tech sucks at baseball but has won 4 out of the last 5 series against the mutts.  Tech is the 39th university in the country and isn't even a university, but it the 6th best engineering school in the country with the best aeronautical engineering school.  Georgia is the 60th best university in the country.  Georgia is even higher than #1 in whining, since they whine about every call they get on the field.  I have never seen a Tech man married to an ugly woman.  George Stein is a lawyer who could probably get you convicted for stupidity.

HonestInformed
HonestInformed

@PoliticalOutsider Idiotic comments.


GT is ranked #2 in the NCAA in Golf (won ACC 7 of the past 9 seasons & in the NCAA tournament 19 of past 20 seasons).


GT is also VERY solid at Baseball, Tennis, Lacrosse, Swimming, Competitive Cheer (just finished in the Top 5 & ahead of UGA), etc. The Basketball and Football programs are solid & respectable; GT blows UGA basketball off the map. The UGA football program has been better than the GT football program for the past 20 or so years (not in 1990 of course), but the overall series is not embarrassing for GT (UGA has not won more than 60% of the games against GT!).  


I graduated from GT (Mechanical Engineering) in 1990 and I am happily married to a beautiful UGA graduate..........our son is handsome & VERY athletic (has 6 girls at his school that want to date him at the moment).


I think these statements essentially prove the comments by PoliticlOutsider to be obnoxious and completely lacking in truth/honesty.

JacketTime
JacketTime

Some discrepencies with your list: we just beat you in baseball so then UGA must really suck there. A low intelligent, shallow person would only care about sports and looks. I don't really envy beer guzzling obnoxious dimwits either...

You left out #10 also

10) We pity pple like you cause CFB is all you got going for you

GTBob
GTBob

@PoliticalOutsider Just a correction, we are ranked the 36th best University in America. Also, how do Tech fans get married? I was told by UGA fans that no Tech fan has ever touched a woman. Apparently we have moved up to ugly women. We are making progress guys!

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeS777  DRad knew we couldn't bring in talent like Dwyer and Nesbitt on a consistent basis. That is the reason he went with CPJ. He looked at history, and his own knowledge of the program and determined that we were going to have trouble recruiting against the large group of powerhouse football factories that were within driving distance of our program. He went with a guy with an unconventional system in an effort to even the playing field. Whether it ends up working or not, im not sure how you can fault him for trying something different when doing the same thing hadn't worked in many many years.

ToddE
ToddE

@LoyaltotheG Don't forget UGA is way better that GT in the Fulmer Cup too.

GTBob
GTBob

@LoyaltotheG  "With regards to UGA vs. GaTech, the athletic superiority is very much evident."

No, really it isn't. It should be but you guys are such an underachieving poorly run athletic program that we are a lot closer than we should be. You guys have all of the advantages. A state school with a huge built in fan base and large alumni base that doesn't leave the state.

You generate tons of money, have no academic standards, and you still aren't great at anything. You haven't beaten us in basketball in a while. You rarely have a better baseball team than us. You aren't even one of the top 4 baseball teams in the state actually. You are supposed to be good at golf but we smashed you at that. You guys basically have tennis, football, and a few sports where the players parents don't even bother to watch. Congrats!

GTBob
GTBob

@DON1938  Give us your plan for turning GT football into something great then. None of the AD's or coaches in the last 50 years could do it, but im sure you have some great ideas. Bobinski might be reading this so give him some tips.

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

@GTBob  Florida hasn't laughed much the past couple of years. Come to think of it, neither has Tech.

GTBob
GTBob

@AFDawg  Tech doesn't have a great record in national championships. We are a small engineering school with the minimum number of sports allowed to even compete at the NCAA Division 1 level. We are what we are. One thing about Tech fans though is that at least we don't pretend we are some great national program. We have some sense of realism. UGA fans have convinced themselves that they are great at something. They just haven't figured out what yet. Poor academics, and a massively underachieving athletic program. Must sting a little to be associated with that so I can see why you made up a false reality. At least at Tech we have good degrees and good jobs to fall back on. Im not sure what you guys have anymore.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@AFDawg  TECH didn't CHEAT to lose the ACC Championship try again.

Name every UGa scandal and a corresponding one for TECH.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@AFDawg  

And yet even if we count 1942, which nobody else does, Tech still has 4 NC's to Georgia's two.  But since nobody outside Athens counts 1942, then Tech really has 4 to Georgia's 1

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@LoyaltotheG  Let's not forget your brilliant QB who didn't have sense enough to spike the ball against Bama.  Also, Tech has never had a Jan Kemp affair, or a Jim Harrick affair, or a Jim (Ponzi scheme) Donnan, or a Damon (red panties) Evans

POAD2014
POAD2014

@LoyaltotheG get real a few questionable student athletes at TECH over the years but UGa lives on the Special Admits that are not worthy of entrance to college.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Hang in there GTBobby. Keep doing the rope a  dope until you tire them out. It worked for Ali.

MikeS777
MikeS777

@GTBob @MikeS777  Oh so now you're defending DRad?  So Tech starts having recruiting success, and you automatically have to assume it wasn't going to continue?  You don't know until you give it a shot.  AD's are supposed to understand this.  You don't go looking at history.  You look at what's going on now, if you want to build something better anyway.  He's supposed to know how to build a good program.  That's his job.  Recruiting is the base of every top program in the nation.  So when you see the recruiting getting better, when you see Tech out-recruiting UGA for players like Dwyer (UGA wanted him badly), that is typically a good sign.  You don't panic and just throw your arms up because your just sure the wheels are just about to come off. LOL

MikeS777
MikeS777

@GTBob @DON1938  Well here's a big one: when you start having some recruiting success, see where it will take you.  Don't rip it all up to bring in an option offense none of the top athletes want to be a part of.

Go find someone with a similar philosophy, who can recruit, and who can hopefully get more consistent production on the field.  Let him continue and build on the foundation that has been laid down.


AFDawg
AFDawg

gtcaryd, You have no idea of what you speak.  UGA is considered a consensus national champion for 1942 -- they were recognized by more polls than Ohio State.  Ohio State gets a lot of press for that year because they won the AP Poll.  But, that was when the AP voted before the bowl season.  Tell me who Ohio State beat in their bowl game that year -- no one because they didn't play in one.  Georgia beat UCLA in the grandaddy of the day -- the Rose Bowl.  UGA was the consensus national champions.  That's the point of my blog -- know your facts before you start making stuff up and spewing BS.  Nice try though. 

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

@GTBob It must sting to have a raghead student blow himself up.

tomkat1111
tomkat1111


TOAD: LOL. You act as if you were worthy. 

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@MikeS777

He's supposed to know how to build a good program.  That's his job.  Recruiting is the base of every top program in the nation.


Mike,

Since you're only looking at the now, when has GT been perceived as a "top program" in-the-now? 

Also, are you aware that there are EIGHT (8) football factory universities within a 4-5 hour drive of Atlanta, GA?  In the past 50 years, as we've seen the influx of, for lack of a better term "dumb athletes" into the college landscape, why hasn't GT progressed on-par in recruiting with these 8 universities (UGA, UT, Clem, SC, UF, FSU, AU, BAMA)?  And don't tell me b/c minorities are afraid to attend school in the big, bad city.   

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@GTBob @MikeS777  Bingo.   They probably could have had Jon Dwyer, but it would have meant likely missing out on Caleb King.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeS777  I am only defending DRad on this point because it made sense to me. I don't think we are the type of school that can consistently compete running a pro style offense. It just isn't going to happen, and history backs that up pretty well. You say not to look at history and to only look at one recruiting class? If CBG has a decent recruiting class and another disastrous year you want to keep him forever? You get coaches like Hewitt sticking around much longer than they should with that mentality. Recruiting isn't everything, and only recruiting well once every 6 years isn't going to save your job.

Also, UGA didn't want Dwyer all that badly, they wanted Caleb King badly which helped us tremendously with Dwyer.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeS777  His 2008 class was not projected in the top 20. It was projected higher than it finished but I don't ever remember it being that high. Renfree would have been the key player in the class but im sorry, I don't see how he would have been nearly as successful as he was under Cutcliffe's tutelage. 

It's also not quite as easy to keep positive recruiting going as you seem to think. O'Leary had a top 20 class in his final full recruiting class at GT. It took Chan Gailey six years to have a class in the top 50.

Chan was booed at games because he never accomplished a single thing at GT. People can actually remember CPJ having good teams. Chan never had any.

MikeS777
MikeS777

@GTBob @MikeS777  You keep clinging to that as if Chan would have never had any more good recruiting classes.  Its convenient for you that he was fired after that one class.  You also never seem to want to realize 2 things:

1)  His 2008 class at the time of his firing was projected top 20, and included players like QB Sean Refree who finished a great career at Duke.

2)  Even if you don't want Chan, you go find someone who can build on what he started.  That 2007 class didnt happen over night.  It was made by kids watching Calvin Johnson, Choice, and Wheeler.  Watching Tenuta's D shutting down top ranked Miami teams, top 10 UGA teams, and top ranked Notre Dame on national TV.  Watching Tech notch wins over Miami, dominate Clemson, and beat Auburn on national TV twice.  Then they watched all these guys get drafted and start pro careers.  It wasn't just a freak accident.

The fact that Chan was booed at games just shows how little the Tech fan base knew about where he had the program headed or really how good they actually had it.  The fact that Johnson isn't getting booed for the consistent mediocre play of the last few years says just as much.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeS777  Chan had one recruiting class in the top 50. You don't let a guy keep his job just because lightning struck once. He was being booed when his image came up on the screen at games. One recruiting class in the top 20 after 5 years of recruiting wasn't going to save him.