Posted: 7:29 pm Tuesday, February 18th, 2014

Harvey-Clemons: Another major UGA talent gone 

By Mark Bradley

Josh-Harvey Clemons and Tray Matthews didn't misplay this photo op. (Jason Getz/AJC)

Josh Harvey-Clemons and Tray Matthews didn’t misplay this photo op. (Jason Getz/AJC)

Rules are rules, OK? Josh Harvey-Clemons broke enough of them to have missed Georgia’s first and last games of the 2013 season, both of them narrow losses. He broke enough of them to have gotten himself booted from the team not two full years into his collegiate career. We’ve seen this before — Isaiah Crowell and Nick Marshall and Zach Mettenberger most recently — but not just at Georgia. We’ll see it again, and not just at Georgia.

That said, Harvey-Clemons was one of the biggest defensive talents Mark Richt ever signed. He’s big enough to play linebacker, fast enough to be deployed at safety. When he was allowed to play, he was a difference-maker. He had 15 tackles and two pass breakups against LSU on a day when nobody else seemed capable of defending at all. He made a game-changing interception against Georgia Tech in his last game as a Bulldog.

He also bumped Tray Matthews off the underthrown pass that became the Prayer At Jordan-Hare. It was probably Matthews’ ball to play, but Harvey-Clemons is one of those who doesn’t defer. He barges in. When he was allowed to play, he played so hard he was always on the cusp of a penalty for unnecessary roughness or horse-collar tackles. He played, as they say, on the edge.

The Georgia program made do without a fourth season of Herschel Walker, and it will make do without Years 3 and 4 from Harvey-Clemons. In many ways, the defense could profit from the absence of uncertainty that came with Harvey-Clemons and his foibles. But it will miss his aggression, his audacity, his skill. If he straightens up, he’ll be playing on Sundays. He just won’t be playing on Saturdays for Georgia anymore.

180 comments
azjacket
azjacket

any one working on the AJC on the Ga. Tech site know that Duke Beat Tech on the 2/18/2014 and he

is still doubtful for the game. Maybe he is doubtful for the next year game.

Redfin
Redfin

Look..........It's happened before and it'll happen again.    All about the "stars" man.   Richt and Co recruit the big shots with no regard for worthless intangibles like intelligence , behavior and honesty.......cause that's the "Georgia Way".

Chuck_UGA
Chuck_UGA

He'll be starting for Auburn in 2015.

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

SOFT ON CRIME!  Another example of how minimal punishment does next to nothing to deter future troubles.


It was pretty obvious last year when JHC was first busted (with his marijuana scale) that the kid had a serious marijuana problem.  He got suspended for one game ... ONE game!  Man, he sure learned his lesson. 


The kid was a 5* recruit ... i.e. "I'm going to the NFL" .... some dumb-arse NFL org will still draft him based on his star ranking even if he doesn't play CFB again.  Sad.

electric1234
electric1234

Well, Well what are all the "Billy Bob's" going to do now that their head "Cow Tipper" is leaving, any UGA player is better in the toliet bowl than any other bowl, at least they feel at home.

59bulldawg
59bulldawg

"The Georgia program made do without a fourth season of Herschel Walker, and it will make do without Years 3 and 4 from Harvey-Clemons."

Please don't compare Herschel to this pothead!  We're better off with a untried freshman that a 5 star player who'd rather smoke weed than play ball. Pruitt was gonna have to rebuild the secondary anyway after last year's debacle.  Let's hope somebody with skill and dependability steps up.  Don't shed any tears over JHC.  He made his decision . . . and this is the consequence!  It may be a tough pill to swllow . . . but he ordered the medicine!  Good riddance if you ask me!

housedivided
housedivided

Talk about the glass being half full. In this case, lost water. But that's ok. Now we have room for more water! Now that's optimism.


For what is worth, drug policy list in the SEC:


After 1 strike, UGA has a 10% suspension, same as UK. After 2nd Strike, 50% suspension. Same as AU, MSU and UK. After 3rd  strike, dismissal. Same as AU, UK, UT, USCe, Ole Miss, Mizzu; LSU (1 yr), MSU (1yr) , Vandy is undisclosed (I assume it is similar or more strict), TAM is vague with lots of wiggle room. AR, UA, UF and MSU dismissal after 4 strikes. 


With exception of 1 game and change suspension after 1st strike, UGA has more or less same drug policy as 6 or 7 other SEC programs. All but 4 programs dismiss after 3rd strike with varying degrees of suspensions after  1 strike. TAM drug policy looks pretty iffy.


http://mrsec.com/2012/10/breaking-down-the-secs-drug-policies/


mcdaviddawg
mcdaviddawg

Another scorching failure by the coach who is such a "wonderful"  leader of his players.

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

NickGertz......you really have trouble with comprehension, don't you? Wow, that was really weak!

Shiflett
Shiflett

Great move Clemons, you let down your family, your team mates, and YOU! It' sad that you cannot adhere to the rules and take advantage of the education and opportunity that was laid before you. Hopefully you can learn from this mistake. We ALL make mistakes and aren't perfect. Please get your head right, get your education and make your family proud. I'm sure they are praying for your success.

slydawg
slydawg

It's like this man. Georgia currently has 89 players on scholarship and they need to cut 4. JHC was just the most deserving to get cut. The news release was just a matter of trying to justify it. georgia is just dragging this out so he can finish the semester.

slydawg
slydawg

BTW, marijuana is NOT illegal. It is a control substance. A synthetic or counterfeit drug is considered illegal. Average peons like us do not possess the "priviledge' to "legally" possess marijuana, pot, refer, weed, canabis oil, or whatever you want to term it.

POAD2013
POAD2013

I think maybe all these Recruiting  trips need to include pee tests, All the camps need pee testing, and the Nike/Under Armour camps and All Star games need to pee test. Recruiting visits Team Camps at school visits need to have the chance to pee test kids teams are recruiting.

Allow testing of kids that want a scholarship. If the kid can't stay clean to get through the recruiting process then he doesn't deserve a SCHOLARSHIP. We you apply for a JOB these days most companies require a Drug test and maybe recruiting needs to do the same. If a kid had to stay for basically a year going through the recruiting process then it would WEED OUT the potheads.

POAD2013
POAD2013

The NCAA needs to do its job............The NCAA needs to make UNIFORM RULES on DRUG testing and punishment.

Colleges are the ONLY Business that runs like the US was supposed to be run. STATES(conferences) are in charge and the Government(NCAA) makes general rules to be a member of the country(NCAA SPORTS).

Well in the case of sports maybe the Government(NCAA) needs to flex some muscle and make a STANDARD DRUG Policy that all the States(Conferences) have to follwow to be a member of the Country(NCAA SPORTS)

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

There is still some good kids out there to recruit.

http://www.usatodayhss.com/inspiration/article/mature-beyond-his-years-alabama-signee-ronnie-clark-prepares-for-next-step

6 to 8 more years of college football and your interest will drop to the level where you don't go to games. The big dollar folks will stop sending their money to support the mess due to the talent pool will be so bad the HC will not be able to control the program. This isn't your Father's college football anymore.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

One post refers to how many children he has sired and another is calling him a druggie, thug and law breaker. Good lord were all you people raised in the Vatican? Ye who is without sin. RRRiiigghhttt...

jrhjmh
jrhjmh

All that said, you can't let these guys disrespect the rules and the system.  Actually, the NCAA should step up and put a rule in place that if you get enough against you to get you tossed from any NCAA program, you should be ineligible from any other program.   These guys mess up and multiple times and know that they will get on someone else's team and eventually to the NFL and be hoodlums there!  The system needs to make a statement and say if you want to be a druggie, a thug or a law breaking member of our society, you aren't going to get promoted to the NFL and make millions nor are you going to get the free college education to live off of.


It is time for the NCAA to step up and make a statement. Coaches just want to win, their lively hood depends on it and you really have to mess up big time to get tossed.  I say if you get to that point, you are done!!!!!!!!!!! 

HCCynic
HCCynic

I can't help but wonder how many illegitimate children he has sired, with how many different baby mamas looking to score on his bankroll when he hits the draft.

Havoc_41
Havoc_41

Its sad he couldn't put it down (assuming the team rule is what 95.4% of us believe it is) but its sadder he has to - IMO

Orange_Crusher
Orange_Crusher

For those of you that don't know, UGA has one of the toughest drug policies in the nation.  It's not that we recruit all the Cheech and Chongs out there.  Most other schools have enough wiggle room in their policies to sweep their "Chronic" offenders under the rug.....

Orange_Crusher
Orange_Crusher

This will repeat itself over and over at UGA until there is an NCAA (or at least SEC) wide drug policy.  Mark Richt should be on a crusade about this like Nick is about the HUNH issue.  I don't know if every school should have as strict a policy as UGA or if we should loosen ours to fit everyone else's, but it should be uniform across the country.  I guarantee we have lost recruits due to "negative" recruiting about our drug policy here.  That's a fact.

Obama_Joke
Obama_Joke

HypoRICHT loves recruiting thugs.

ChrisStacy
ChrisStacy

This isn't about the weed.  This is about a team rule that the player knew was in place.  He had been suspended twice already and continued to do it anyway.  He had total disregard for team rules and the fact that he was hurting his team by breaking them and not being on the field.   Good riddance, let's move on with people that want to play football.

coj
coj

HC has the potential to either win or lose games. To win games, he has to make great decisions and with his control issues, it's always a crap-shoot whether he'll make the right one. 

dawgfacedboy
dawgfacedboy

Until Richt adopts the Urban Meyer way of disciplining this will continue to happen. I'd rather have a NC than a squeaky clean image.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@D-Sheets Yea, I cant believe they didnt take him out back and shoot him.

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

We always said that, whenever one of the hailed to be here top performers when out there, is gone.  Good riddance - we kick toward them, like whistling past the graveyard long list now of those heralded.   Credit for recruiting them.  Great credit made wide and loud. Bad Apple we say.  Didn't relish Our Scholarship. We'll be better without them, we chastise them - after they gone.  I have been saying this since after the jackets' game that he wouldn't be here; that we had way over-signed as if there several such as he.


Again.  This one brought much to the Defense. There is no doubt of his distraction, either.  One of the many, here, now.  The Defense will be better this season without him, and the season after that as well : how could it not be ?


LSU Zach Mettenberger, Auburn Nick Marshall, Alabama now Ty Flournoy-Smith don't seem to have any problems away from here.  Why is this ?


David Hale once wrote a report of 87 Bulldogs for part of 2007, 2008, 2009, and 3 months of 2010 where discipline on and off the field here resulted in 87 arrests/suspensions/booted.


But, it's gone on 2001, in fact after December 20, 2000 when Mark Richt refused to show up here until nearly Signing Day and would have been 2-weeks later, if Vince Dooley had allowed him to be at the Seminar for Assistant Coaches as well, all the way to today.


It became so bad then, that yes we


PUNISH


here, but we haven't had discipline on or off the field, now, have we 59bulldawg, sir ?


We have much to be proud of here at my alma mater, and these ongoing


BAD PRESS


continue to be a distraction of what if, a distraction of whom missing for early important games - such as next year against # 8 Clemson followed by away at # 4 South Carolina - and early on at # 5 Missouri then late against # 2 Auburn.  Then, the bowl game, and we all hope for SEC Championship Game we've not won after 2005, a long time ago now.


Such promise early on at 16-13 vs teams making the top 25 through 2007 season, and after a dismal 7-22, twenty-nine games each segment through end of 2007 and since. 


23 Wins against ranked teams those seasons in total.


You see ?


It's not just what he's done here on and off the field after 2007 and the suspensions imposed by UGA policy now, not him since; but, his total and his total really is # 5 best in the nation his tenure here - with but 4 schools better than us in football wins starting 2001.


And, he most assuredly did start 2001, not 2008.  A tale of 2 halves of a career here now 2014.


Discipline you see is not punishment  :  as punishment is the result of lack of discipline.


We have plenty of talent come through here, but for 6 years now, they've not won at 54-26 and 18 of those losses the current 4-year period during which time we've all seen all too many Josh Harvey-Clemons types. Not last year when we signed 33 scholarship recruits, but for the bowl game just prior to that Nebraska, we had 54 scholarship recruits for the game.


It's been a struggle.

Unfreakinbelieveable
Unfreakinbelieveable

thank you Housedivided for the FACTS.  so tired of posters here with the "UGA and CMR have the toughest drug policy in the SEC" crap.  I guess if they type it enough they believe it to be true.

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

@mcdaviddawg  I have trouble following your logic. I'm sure the " coach" talked to this young man several times , pointed out what would happen if he kept on the same road he was traveling. The player chose not to change his ways and now will suffer the consequences of his decisions.

Unfreakinbelieveable
Unfreakinbelieveable

will be interesting to see if JWS gets cut b/c of his current drug charge.  How many strikes is that for him?  That has been made public at least.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@slydawg  it is Illegal you are adding semantics. Go Smoke a Joint walking down the street and see what happens.

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

@POAD2013  How many people have died from smoking pot ? How many do you see in the emergency room for a pot overdose ? Our country needs to get out of the business of legislating morals.Let's stop prosecuting victim less crimes.If one wants to gamble, have at it, want to visit a prostitute , be my guest. People have been trying to make these types of activities illegal for hundreds of years with no success.

DirtyDawg
DirtyDawg

Hell, I'd settle for the SEC to set some standards...namely, that any scholarship athlete that is dismissed from a member institution 'for cause', cannot enroll at another member school for, at least, two years, or maybe ever. Guess the ACC would likely be the beneficiary, but they would no longer be able to be part of 'the best conference of em all'.

slydawg
slydawg

@POAD2013 That will not work. It will still be up to the schools. Let's say the NCAA adopts a uniform rule with a limit of 4 drug tests. Each conference and school will just use that as a baseline. The only way it will work is if the NCAA either adopts a 1. zero-tolerance policy or 2. develop uniform suspension/expulsion guidelines. Then that further becomes a mess becomes most schools will not accept such an iron hand and then there are the state legislatures to deal with. Georgia is just strict with it's policies. Plain and simple. The coaches need to develop some sort of program that will help the student-athletes adhere to the strict guidelines. When the LOI is signed, all players receive the Student-Athlete handbook from the Athletics Association. And that's where the problem is: Here is the book, now you are on your own. Self-enforce yourself at 17-18.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

not sure that children raised in the Vatican is that great of a deal. It's pretty much documented as well.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

The taxpayer will just have to handle the load for now. The children and the Pell Grants. Is this a great country or what?

Havoc_41
Havoc_41

@Orange Crush  Since he was let go & didnt as for transfer, I think he is eligible to play anywhere right away. He could end up across the state line. wouldn't be the first time the evil genius part 2 has made ready a scholarship! lol

Unfreakinbelieveable
Unfreakinbelieveable

Read Housedivided's post and the facts about various SEC schools and drug policies.  UGA is no tougher than most.  I would bet a months salary that UGA has lost ZERO recruits b/c of the UGA drug policy.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@ThomasBrown Oh God! He's back. Gotta be honest with you ThomaAss, missed you like a case of Syphilis.

slydawg
slydawg

@POAD2013 @slydawgAnd I will be charged with illegal possession of a controlled substance. if it is illegal, then the "medical" argument will not fly. Have you ever had percuset for pain? oxycotin? anybody you know? Then guess what? They consumed opium. Is that semantics or truth?

POAD2013
POAD2013

@gtcaryd Nothing is an absolute but it would clear up 90%. I understand you LOVE your POT and are willing to do anything to smoke pot but it is still illegal.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@POAD2013 @gtcarydOh lord ive gotten in a game of top this with POAD. You want to compare scars like on jaws you fool, yea that felt good. I never said that JHC smoking pot was ok, but you and others want to demonize it. I do not and never will agree with random drug testing, and one more thing,first time i have ever mentioned my pain so take that crying comment and stick it up azz.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@gtcaryd Ok keep crying about your pain. You have know Idea what I know.  If you use POT for pain management that is different than KIDS GETTINg HIGH and you know it.

I live with pain everyday as well but i have learned to deal with it in different ways. I stopped the pain pill regimen in the early 90's & didn't substitute those with pot. 

Your case is different than KIDS getting high as is mine.

I broke my neck just like Christopher Reeves and I still walk. I crushed 3 vertebrae at my hips and I still walk. I have had more epidurals than I can count. Please don't tell me I don't know pain everyday.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@slydawg @POAD2013Thats what POAD wants people with chronic never ending pain like myself to go get the 90 Hydrocodones and 60 methadones they gave me every month. One morning i was hoping the sun wouldnt come up so i stop taking the most abused drug in theUS, and went in a different direction, saved my life i think. POAD you dont know sheite from shinola.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@slydawg If you don't have a SCRIP for those pain pills it is illegal for you to use or posses them.

Unfreakinbelieveable
Unfreakinbelieveable

ATLWmn you have no idea what you are talking about.  He cannot go to ANY FBS school for next year....IF he wants to play football.  From a football standpoint his only 2 choices are a non FBS school for next year or not play anywhere.  If he doesn't screw up beyond repair in the next 12 months he will more than likely enter the NFL draft.  Or option #2 sit out next year completely (a la LSU's Matthieu) and enter the NFL draft in 2015.  Now he can transfer to an Auburn or LSU or Univ. of AL if he has the grades but i highly (pun intended) doubt he's a rocket scientist and has the GPA and credits to get into even Gainesville State.